Saturday, March 24, 2018

Grassland tortoises

From left to right: Sully (Sulcata), Speckles, Pudding (Leopard tortoises), and Astro (Indian Star). 


Grassland tortoises gathering

The grassland tortoises are by far the most social tortoises we have cared for. No deliberate bitings were observed between these tortoises, aside from occasional trampling over one another when it's the feeding time. Seems like size alone doesn't decide the hierarchical order among these tortoises eitherwe have seen tortoise competing food with much bigger tortoises (more than two times as big) and the former fended off the latter. They love to eat the same piece of greens together, and often almost biting each other's face! 

Their social nature also makes it easier to put them together. As can be seen above, we have two leopard tortoises (P. babcocki), one indian star (G. elegans), and a little giantSully (G. sulcata), together in the same enclosure. Some have debated against putting different species together to avoid cross-contamination, and we definitely agree to a certain degree. But to each their own, we have been enjoying these babies getting along together. 

These babies are making us working for a bigger home for them. Love seeing them growing everyday! :)

Monday, March 19, 2018

Tortoise Care- The Basics

Toady's topic will be Tortoise Care
Note that I will only be covering the basics in this post- I will go into greater depth in later posts for each of these categories. 

  1. Enclosure 
  2. Humidity 
  3. Substrate 
  4. Lighting/Heating 
  5. Soaking 
  6. Food bowls/water bowls 
  7. Hides 
  8. Plants 
  9. Food 

Enclosure
Before even purchasing a tortoise, you should make sure you have an enclosure for your tortoise. If purchasing a baby tortoise, I would suggest keeping the tortoise indoors until it grows big enough to be put outside. I would not suggest placing tortoises outdoors unless it is big enough to fend off any predators or unless your backyard is secure. 

Some common indoor enclosures: 
  • ZooMed tortoise house: this is a rather popular item, and a quick search will lead to lots of results. Ranges around $100 and up. Good for your baby tortoise, but not a permanent home once it gets bigger. It is a great starter enclosure, but some of the cons that I faced was that some of the parts were useless.. like that divider that creates a dark space for the tortoise to sleep. My tortoise did not use it at all. It also has a "gated door" to close up the enclosure on the top, which was a bit of a hassle to me because I had to keep opening and closing it every time I needed to get something from the enclosure. It also made me feel less interactive with my tortoise. We removed the gated door and it works just fine. 
  • Build your own: requires you to have some tools and knowledge on how to build a tortoise home. Takes a lot of time, effort, and money but you will have a tortoise home that you want. Or, you can also do a quick google search to find people who make these. 
  • Storage bins: Cheap alternative for those who cannot afford the above options. The Christmas tree storage bins are some that I've seen recommended for tortoises because of its length. You can get them for ~$24 each during the holiday season. Otherwise, you can also find other storage bins that would be big enough to house your tortoise, but I wouldn't recommend keeping your tortoise in a storage bin- I haven't found many storage bins with the proper size needed for a tortoise, so I don't think it is a proper housing option 
  • Vivarium/Tank: Mostly ONLY recommended for hatchlings/babies since they require more humidity. Although they are a great way to see your tortoise better, do not house your juvenile/adult tortoises in these... Not only are they fragile and weigh a ton, they are not the proper set up for your tortoise because they are way too small. It traps way too much heat, and does not provide enough air for your tortoise. 
Emerald's enclosure
Substrate
Most common substrates include coco husk, coco fiber/coir, soil (must be free of fertilizer). 
Our favorite is coco husk because they are chunky and less messy. Coco fiber/coco coir is really similar to soil, and it is way too messy. It went into the food bowls, water dish, etc. 
A reptile convention I went to actually recommended coco fiber/coir because she stated that tortoises love to dig, which sounds pretty true, but again, this is based off of preference. Use the substrate you prefer, as long as it is safe for the tortoise. 

Do not use sand. Do not use rocks smaller than the tortoise. 

Lighting/Heating 
Lighting is crucial to your tortoise's health if you are placing your tortoise indoor. Some people say that the location they place their tortoise has sunlight reaching in, and that it is okay. I guess so, but what about days when there isn't any sunlight? 
Tortoises require the light to get UVA, UVB, and warmth. It also helps them digest food. 

Many people say that the lights need to be on for 12 hours. Do not leave it on all day and night. Tortoises need to sleep too..
We also put temperature into consideration. Assuming that it is summer time and it is 90 degrees outside, we wouldn't turn on the light for 12 hours and maybe cut it down to 8-10 hours instead. Buy an automatic timer. It will make your life so much easier. 

Some people buy 2 light bulbs, one for heat and the other for UVA/UVB. We recommend getting the mercury ballast bulbs. It is an all in one. It may cost more but it'll make set up easier (i.e. won't need two light domes). Some common mercury ballast bulb brands are: Exo Terra, ZooMed, MegaRay, T-rex
T-rex bulbs are good but hard to find, and we prefer the MegaRay over Exo Terra. A 100W bulb should be plenty. 

Night-time heating is necessary if your night-time temps are too low for the tortoise to endure. Each tortoise has a different endurance range. Do some research and decide whether or not a heat is needed. We use the ceramic heat emitter. 

Do not buy heat bulbs that emit light (i.e. red, blue). Do not buy coil bulbs. Do not be cheap and skimp out on lighting. 

Humidity & Soaking 
I'm going to pair these two categories together since I believe they are interrelated. 
For hatchlings, always make sure your enclosure is humid enough. You can do this by providing your tortoise with a humid hide. Purchase some moss and put it all over the enclosure- it'll help keep the humidity going. This is why a vivarium is better suited for hatchlings. 

Even so, I do not believe bigger tortoises do not require humidity- this also depends on the species. 
A humid enclosure may not be enough, so make sure you soak hatchlings daily in warm water for 10-15 minuntes. From what we read from others, it is okay to soak older tortoises 2-3 times weekly. 

Some also put a water dish in the enclosure. If you do this make sure it is changed DAILY. A tortoise will pee/defecate in it, and if you don't change it daily, the tortoise may drink from it and get sick. We only put a water dish into enclosures for tortoises who require more humidity, and opt to just soak all our tortoises daily. 

Humidity is as crucial as lighting. Make sure you soak your tortoises. 

Chalk and Caramel Soaking

Food Bowl/Water Bowl 
 As mentioned above, if you opt to include a water bowl in your tortoise enclosure, be sure to clean it daily. Make sure the water bowl you choose is easily accessible to your tortoise and will not be too deep. If your tortoise goes into a water bowl that is too deep and accidentally flips over, it may drown.

Food bowls are the same- make sure your tortoise can access it easily. Our tortoises like to sit on the vegetables as they eat. A tile slab from the hardware store works great.
These are fairly inexpensive items, and you do not have to purchase the ones specially made for reptiles.

Picture of baby Ivory eating in his food bowl

Hides and Plants 
Not only do these make your enclosure look better, it provides a good place for your tortoise to rest and shelter away from the heat. 
Hubba huts work great. Plants help retain moisture and also work as a great hiding spot. If using plants, be sure to make sure they are safe for the tortoise. Our tortoises occasionally like to snack on the plants. If buying the plants from the store, you cannot put it into the enclosure immediately. The soil used for the plants may not be safe for your tortoise. I usually dust off all the dirt and transfer to organic soil for a couple of months before adding it into the enclosure to be safe. 


Food
This is a topic that I love to talk about. Food. I will go into greater depth in a later post. Many have recommended weeds- you can purchase packets of seeds online and grow them yourself. Recommended store bought veggies include packaged spring mix, lettuce, etc. 
You can also feed them occasional treats such as fruits. I will be creating a post with a listing of foods that our tortoise species like and dislike. 

That is about it. Tortoise care is NOT cheap and may eventually cost more than the tortoise. If you cannot provide the essentials for your tortoise, then you should reconsider getting another pet instead. 

The Differences: Wild Caught Tortoises vs Captive Bred Tortoises

Today's Topic-
Wild Caught vs Captive Bred

Which is better? I don't believe one is better than the other, but it is more based off of preference. 
Below are some comparisons between the two. 

Wild Caught tortoises: 
PROS: 
  • Depending on the species, may be cheaper to buy than captive bred 
  • "Easier" to care for than captive bred (captive bred tortoise are almost always sold as babies which have more care requirements) 
  • Good for breeding purposes 
  • Juvenile or adult age 
CONS: 
  • Juvenile or adult age 
  • Accurate age is unknown
  • Taken from the wild and may take a longer time to get used to you
  • Comes with parasites, other unknown illnesses 
  • Shell may not be as pretty/smooth as captive bred (scratches, scars, etc acquired in the wild) 

Captive Bred tortoises: 



PROS: 
  • Depending on where you live, can be purchased locally 
  • Bred in the same country/state you live 
  • Can raise it from a baby to adulthood (the tortoise will grow with you)
  • May be more friendly to you because he/she has been handled by humans since birth 
  • Not taken from the wild 
  • Can purchase species that cannot be imported 








CONS: 
  • May be a more expensive than wild caught depending on the species 
  • Purchased as a baby (~4 weeks old and up) 
  • Require more care requirements than adults, thus are more fragile to own 
  • May not be suitable for children in terms of handling and size 
  • Tortoise may outlive you (who will take care of it when you're gone?) 
Either way, owning a tortoise is not easy work regardless of it being wild caught or captive bred. Please ensure that proper care is given to your tortoise. 

Any thoughts or difference that we missed? 
Give us a comment! 


Topic Debate: Tortoises are Solitary Animals

 Emerald and his grumpy face

"Tortoises are solitary animals. They don't need friends because in the wild, they live in a open space and rarely find other tortoises"

The above sentences are what we have always seen people post when one asks if they should get another tortoise friend for their tortoise. 

So here we begin the debate. 
I listed the most common reasons I have seen below. 

Tortoises are solitary animals because: 
  1. They are introverts 
  2. Tortoises are territorial and will be aggressive to each other 
  3. They don't need friends because that's how they are like in the wild, living alone. 
Now, I want to go into depth with these reasons: 

1. They are introverts
Are tortoises really introverts, or is this some sort of societal assumption because they have a shell and will hide when afraid? Perhaps if you purchased a wild caught tortoise, this will be common since the tortoise was taken out of the wild against his/her free will. A tortoise that has been living in the wild for 10+ years that is suddenly put into an enclosure that is much smaller than his/her home will most definitely be afraid. But for captive bred tortoises who have been living in an enclosure his/her whole life and have been interacting with humans will act differently. The environment matters. (We will be covering more about wild caught and captive bred tortoises in a later post.) Our captive bred tortoise are not afraid of us at all- in fact, they have great personalities, and all of them are different. 

2. Tortoises are territorial and will be aggressive to each other 
Many people have posted this when someone asks if he/she can buy another tortoise to place with their existing tortoise. We believe that this depends on the species. Some tortoises (like the redfoot, pancake, leopard) are really friendly species and can live peacefully with one another. Other tortoises, like the russian tortoise, are more aggressive toward each other, and we have experienced this firsthand with both our russian tortoises. 

We also want to take enclosure space into consideration. If you put two tortoises in a cramped up enclosure, aggression ought to happen. It is just common sense. Please make sure you have done enough research and have enough space before housing more than one tortoise together. Aggression in tortoise can lead to biting and injuries. Even if you only house one tortoise, please make sure the appropriate enclosure size is used. 

3. They don't need friends because that's how they are like in the wild, living alone. 
I'm not too sure what I think about this sentence. Maybe they live in the wild alone because their environment is vast, leading it to be difficult to find other tortoises? If they live in the wild alone, how are they able to find other tortoises to reproduce? How do we really know they live alone in the wild? Just a couple of thoughts. 
Once again, these are assumptions based on wild caught tortoises- I don't think they should be based off of captive bred tortoises. We have placed tortoises categorized as friendly and they do fine with each other. 


Additionally, our tortoises value interaction. When called upon, they will actually acknowledge us (although we are unsure if this is because we are food, or because we are owner). They enjoy being touched on their heads. Emerald becomes really active and will start exploring his enclosure when we interact with him. Just know that tortoises get bored too!! 


Again, I am not writing this post to encourage people to buy two or more tortoises, but to rather state what I have experienced with our own tortoises. 

I don't think wild caught tortoises can be grouped the same way as captive bred tortoises. They simply live a different lifestyle. 

Le'ts put it this way: Not all Tortoises are Solitary Animals


What are your thoughts? 


Ivory staring at the camera 

Saturday, February 17, 2018

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The Journey Begins


HELLO AND WELCOME

A new journey has begun for this blog. All viewers are welcome to read and comment on our posts. 

Here are a few highlights/FAQs regarding this blog: 

  • What will this blog be about?
  1. Tortoises- we plan to write about the lifestyles of our tortoises, as well as provide some care sheets in regards to tortoise care. 
  2. Turtles- we will have occasional postings about our turtles as well. 
  • What type of tortoises do you have? 
  1. Russian tortoise
  2. Indian Star tortoise 
  3. Leopard tortoise
  4. Elongated tortoise
  5. Forsten's tortoise
  6. Sulcata tortoise
  7. Burmese brown mountain tortoise
  8. Cherry head red foot tortoise (coming soon) 
  • What type of turtles do you have? 
  1. Diamondback terrapin 
  2. Red ear slider 

ABOUT US: 

We are two people writing this blog. We may have different and similar insights as to certain topics. 

Everything we write about here is based off of research and personal experience. 

A favorite website we use for resources is: 
tortoiseforum.net 

Our shared dream is to raise captive bred babies and eventually start breeding them.

We do not claim to be tortoise experts, so perhaps others may disagree with some topics we discuss, but that is fine. This is based solely on our opinions. Other's are free to comment what they think is correct, but we do not appreciate bashing.



*This will be updated as we have more insight as to what to add to the blog. 

Please feel free to ask questions! We will try our best to update this blog periodically.